JIMMY

Some of these people are out here selling drugs for the wrong reasons. Ya know what I�m saying? Some of them grew up with a silver spoon in they mouths. Some of them got mothers that�s gonna take care of them. But they just doing it to be down. See, me-- there was no other way for me. Ya know what I�m saying? There was no other way for me. You seen my moms, she's on it [crack] too. I ain�t have nobody. I had to grow up quick. I started taking care of me and my five brothers when I was like nine or ten...Ya know what I�m saying? So it was like I had to hold down the family. So the only way for me to go out there and make money to feed my brothers and sisters was the got there and do that. It's not something I approved of--I always wanted not to be there. I always said "Damn, everybody else doing it, I don�t want to be one of those people." But I was young. I can�t get no nine to five at the age of nine. Ya know what I�m saying? But the drug dealers that was out here was willing to give me something to work. Ya know what I�m saying? So I did it. I'm saying after awhile, I just got addicted to it...Track2, 05:17

When I started dealing drugs? I was real young, I was like 10, nine or 10. And I started hustling, and I was getting gypped. Ya know, they was giving me like $5 out of a $100. $5 off $100! But I didn�t know no better, and it was money to me when I was young like that. But after a while I learned the business, and it's like it ain't fun, but you get to know a lot of people and all that. But after a while I...I know that somewhere down the tunnel is gonna be a light for me, Ya know what I�m saying? But I just don't know how long I gotta wait. And I don't know if that light at the end of the tunnel is gonna be the light I see when I die, Ya know what I�m saying? I hope it ain't that light. I hope it�s gonna be a light where I�ll just be able to relax and live a normal life...

And I'm really looking for it to having that record deal come in the, and I'm really trying to push it, but the only thing is I would have to turn myself in, and deal with whatever penalty my probation give me. Track 2, 06:36

Whether it�s to reinstate me for my probation, which I really don�t want. Cuz I feel, if the reinstate me, it's like they got control of me. Ya know what I�m saying? And I�m not feeling that. I feel if they was to catch me, I would have to do the time. So when I come home I won�t have no probation or nothing. But then I can't, I can't even do that cuz my girlfriend don't think she can make it without me. Ya know what I�m saying? So it's like, I got a lot of people depending on me. So I can�t really just go just like that. Ya know what I�m saying? So it's hard. I'm stuck in a no-win situation. But I'm trying to--I�m going to make the best of it. Track 2, 07:30

...they know that those drug dealers out there, most of them don�t know how to read or write. They know that most of them is out there because they came from abandoned homes and they had no choice but to turn that way, they started at a young age because they was nobody there for them. They has to hold they own, ya know what I�m saying? [The police] don�t see it like that, all they see is criminals that�s out there taking over the system, it ain�t like that man, Ya know what I�m saying? Track 2, 08:35

But there�s more to it than that. We, we didn�t want, or grow up, or wake up the next day and say, "Oh, I wanna sell drugs, I wanna stick people up, I wanna be a bad guy." Ya know what I�m saying? It ain�t like that. I don�t consider us bad guys, I consider us guys that�s trying to survive, and that�s willing to do what ever it takes to survive, Ya know what I�m saying? Even if it means to risk your own life or probably to put somebody else�s life in danger. Ya know what I�m saying? People willing to do whatever it takes to survive out here. And we ain�t got much to survive wit. Ya know what I�m sayin, all we knew, the only way to survive, we know is to do schemes, sell drugs, or something, Ya know what I�m saying? It always gotta have a scheme wit it. If it�s selling drugs, we gotta scheme, if it�s to rob somebody, we gotta scheme, We got the credit cards, we gotta scheme. Ya know what I�m saying?

It ain�t never, it ain�t something we could do on the books or legit, and even if we go on the books, and then we gonna get jerked cuz of who we are or where we came from, Ya know what I�m saying, so it�s like...we, we lose no matter what we do. Ya know what I�m saying? So I figure since it�s like that, make the best of it. Ya know what I�m saying? No matter what you do, make the best of it. Ya know what I�m saying? Ya know, that�s what I�m trying to do right now. Trying to make the best of it. Especially me, I�m on my own, I just turned 20 in January, I�m trying to make the best of it. I ain�t trying to let this hold me down... Track2, 10:05

I won�t give up man, Ya know what I�m saying? I feel, there�s a reason that God put me on this earth, and I just haven�t found that reason yet, Ya know what I�m saying? And I�m sure it�s a positive reason, God ain�t putting nobody on this earth for no negative reason. Ya know what I�m saying? God is a positive person, so he gonna put people, like, like this man right here. He been ducking me for days, I gave him sweaters to sell. He come to me, He�s tired, he�s hungry, he needs money, I gave him sweaters to sell, and I told him, we�ll split the profit 50%, 50%. He never came back to me wit that money, ya know what I�m saying? And I looked out for him, but, see that�s another thing, when somebody owe you money, most of the time, 9 out of 10 times, you find the person dead.. Me? I just let it be, ya know what I�m saying? I know not to mess with that person no more, I know not to put nothing into that person�s hands...I�d rather say it like this, the money that I gave you, weather it�s $20, $10, I paid you that much to really find out who you are. Ya know what I�m saying? I paid you to find out your true side, and I found out. You no good. Ya know what I�m saying? I ain�t gonna mess wit you no more. That�s how I look at it�

that�s another thing, with this money thing. I think, money, money, money is the criminal or all criminals. Ya know what I�m sayin? Cuz that�s what makes a criminal!

Money! You, you tell me, ain�t no body out there killing nobody or sellin drugs to no one with out money involved. Unless something wrong with them, they mental. Ya know what I�m sayin? Everybody doing it for the money, Ya know what I�m sayin? And like I said, I had uncles on drugs, and all of that and they stole from me! Ya know what I�m sayin? Just for drugs. Ya know what I�m sayin? I could just finish feeding �em, and giving them money. Once I fall asleep, I wake up in the morning, my stuff is gone! Who did it? The same person I was just feeding the night before. Ya know what I�m sayin? So I was like, I don�t blame it on that person, I blame it on the drugs. But then again, it�s still they fault for doing it...

I think the environment messes with the kid's moms too, Ya now what I�m sayin? So we try to preach to them, and it�s like why should they listen to us? If...if we out here doing what we telling them not too. And we like damn, there�s nobody out here to tell these kids nothing. They moms can�t tell them cuz they smoking it, we can�t tell them, cuz we selling it. And nobody in school can tell them, cuz they ain�t going to school. Why? Because their moms don�t force them too.

Now a little kid, he don�t wake-up early in the morning and say, "Oh, I want to go to school." If his moms tell him, he don�t have to go to school, he�s gonna be like "Oh, my mom said I didn�t have to go to school, so why should I? Ya know what I�m saying? They gonna look at it like it�s all-right, ya know what I�m saying? They not gonna grow up knowing schools important, like me. I grew up, and my moms like you ain�t gotta go to school today, so I�m like I don�t gotta go to school. But after awhile I grew up, and I started seeing people may age smarter then me. And I�m like damn, why they smarter than me? "Cuz I went to school and you didn�t." See, now I know that, ya know what I�m sayin? So I�m trying to tell this little kids, "trust me, I know you have older people coming up to you, telling you this ain�t the way, this ain�t the way, take it from me! I�m doing it, and I�ll tell you straight up, it ain�t what you want. Track2, 18:57

Interview done spring, 1999. Jimmy was recently arrested for shooting a man 7 times in the legs. The man had gotten into a dispute with Jimmy�s mother. At the time of his arrest, Jimmy was wanted on a parole violation for stabbing a man the previous year. The man had been in a fight with Jimmy�s father. Jimmy is on Riker�s Island awaiting sentencing.


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